Postal myths: #2 The USPS isn’t part of the federal government

Earlier this week we dealt with the popular belief that because the US Constitution mentions post offices, it would take a constitutional amendment to eliminate or privatize the USPS. Today we have the flip side of that myth- the belief that the US Postal Service isn’t part of the federal government. You see this in news stories often- FedSmith ran a column just a week ago referring to the USPS as a “quasi-governmental entity”, that had been privatized in 1971! The Gallup Organization, which was responsible for the poll we reported earlier today naming the USPS the best-liked government service, referred to “the quasi-governmental U.S. Postal Service” in an earlier poll report. A recent story in the Atlantic claims that “Postal services were quasi-privatized in the US decades ago”. Just to make things interesting, the Washington Post’s Ed O’Keefe once referred to the USPS as “a quasi-federal outfit”– whatever that means!

Most of the quasi-confusion can be traced back to the 1971 Postal Reorganization Act, which eliminated the old Post Office Department, replacing it with the US Postal Service. The act was intended to make the USPS self-financing from its own revenues, and to make it an independent, non-political public service. Prior to the PRA, postmasters (including the postmaster general) were political appointees; rates were set by Congress, and the POD had to go through the appropriations process to get the money it needed to operate.

The PRA established a Board of Governors who were responsible for selecting the PMG and setting policies and budgets. It allowed the USPS to use its revenue to finance its operations without any appropriation process. It set up a separate commission to set postage rates.

What it didn’t do was privatize the postal service in any way, shape or form. Some in Congress, then as now, would have favored privatization. Consideration was also given to making the USPS a government owned corporation, like the TVA or Amtrak. But neither of those things happened. Here’s what the Act says:”The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States”. It also defines the USPS as “an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States”. Being “independent” doesn’t make the USPS a “quasi-” anything- it simply means it is not part of one of the cabinet departments. Other “independent” agencies include the CIA and NASA.

In a footnote to its most recent report on postal finances, the Congressional Research Service, part of the Library of Congress, had this to say:

The USPS often is mischaracterized as a quasi governmental or private entity. It is neither. The USPS is a government agency that was created by Congress to achieve various public purposes. Federal law defines what products and services the Postal Service may offer. Additionally, the USPS’s employees are federal employees who participate in the Civil Service Retirement System, the Federal Employees Retirement System, and the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

The Supreme Court has even weighed in on what being “independent” means for the USPS, in an opinion from 2004:

The PRA’s designation of the Postal Service as an “independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States,” 39 U. S. C. §201, is not consistent with the idea that the Postal Service is an entity existing outside the Government. Indeed, the designation indicates just the contrary. The PRA gives the Postal Service a high degree of independence from other Government offices, but it remains part of the Government.

That would seem to settle it, wouldn’t it?

  • stargood

    I think part of the confusion might be caused by the fact that the Post Office’s website URL is http://www.usps.com, not http://www.usps.gov (usps.gov does redirect to usps.com though). The dot-com would seem to imply to some people that it is a private company, which of course it is not.

    • YONKERS_NY

      .gov is used for USPS employees only

  • charlie baker

    I used to personally know a post office worker who worked for the USPS for thirty years, and he would tear your ears off to hear you say the service is a government agency. He is adamant it was privatized in 1971. The fellow has since retired and moved away, but I used to enjoy arguing with him about this.

    • boilerluv

      I think your poor friend had some sort of mental disability. 🙁

  • alex vranescu

    They did this because now instead of using taxpayer money to the Department now they can take from the Department profits or take money from the basket. The same way they’re doing with Social Security. The company makes billions a year in profit but! We’re still broke because how Congress passes laws they we have to give money here and there. Was still broke will never change and I will still get a pay cut. 9 years I got a total of 7$payout. And trust me the Union is very happy with this why? Because now the post office with my pay cut can I wore postal employees more postal employees mean more union dues. Put that in your article

  • littlebuddy12345

    If the carriers are federal employees, then it seems it would still be a government entity. Unless we have a bunch of federal employees, working for a privatized business? Doesn’t make sense.

    • Sara Robinson

      consider it a subsidiary. Owned by the people, just like the Federal Government, but not ran the same.

  • Lee Walter

    USPS has been operating in the red for 11 years in a row. 2017 isn’t any different (double digits in the red I think).
    How do American’s think they keep their doors open? A normal corporation would have closed their doors. Tax payers dollars given to them. Private corporations do not have this luxury (not this much help).

    • USPS employee.

      Dear Lee, you’re misinformed my friend. USPS is a independent agency of US government. We do not take your precious tax money. Please do some research. You would be surprised. I had same opinion before i started

      • Lee Walter

        “We do not take your precious tax money”. LOL USPS was set up to run without much tax payer money funneled to them.
        BUT operating in the red means they have become a money pit for tax payers.
        (USPS is part of the Executive branch. They are not an independent outside entity. Government is government. AND they are government.)

        • postalnews

          USPS was “set up” to run with no taxpayer money, and continues to do so. Does USPS “operate in the red”? Technically, yes. Since 2006, the USPS has been obligated to pay around $5 billion a year into a trust fund for future potential retiree health benefits. For most of that time, USPS has been unable to make those payments.

          Since the payments are legal obligations, USPS takes a charge for the full amount of the payment, even though no money actually changes hands. That accounts for virtually all of USPS debt since 2006, when USPS was debt free.

          So, yes, the USPS ha piled up billions of dollars in “debt” ON PAPER since 2006. But all of it is strictly ON PAPER. The USPS continues to have no problem paying its operating expenses, including its retirees’ health benefits, WITHOUT any taxpayer funds.

          • Lee Walter

            Stop spreading propaganda…the postal service as a self sustaining agency is a joke. They are bloodsuckers forever linked to the taxpayers wallets.

          • postalnews

            OK- give us a source for your assertion. If USPS is being propped up by taxpayer funds, then there is a law, passed by Congress, appropriating those funds.

            Cite it.

          • William Cunningham

            The USPS has been receiving tax payer funded subsidies to fund the pension plan since the early 1980’s. It is not operated as a privet funded corporation nor has it ever.

          • postalnews

            And can you tell us what piece of legislation provides for those “subsidies”?

          • Steve Tunis

            You do realize you just admitted it is owned and PAID FOR by the people right???

          • postalnews

            This comes as a surprise to you? Why?

          • Kellie Renee

            You my sir are misinformed

          • http://www.redstateeclectic.com AngelaTC

            Shall we start with the tax exemptions the USPS gets?

          • postalnews

            Why not? Complaining about “tax exemptions” the USPS supposedly enjoys is pretty easy to deal with. Not paying taxes would certainly be an issue if the USPS really WAS some kind of quasi-private corporation. But of course it isn’t

            The USPS is owned, and paid for, by the American people. Taxing the USPS would simply raise taxes on the people who use the USPS- meaning most Americans. You might as well tax the National Park Service, or the Veterans Administration, or the Air Force.

            The only benefit to taxing the USPS would accrue to its competitors. Those companies’ fiduciary responsibility is to their investors, not, as is the case with USPS, to the American people.

          • Icorps1970

            How do they pay the retirees if they are not paying into the fund? HOW? WHO is REALLY paying the retirees and when does the fund run dry since USPS is not paying anything into it? Where does the money paid out to the retirees come from and do the checks say “US Treasury” or US Postal Service? If they say US Treasury you are lying to the readers here.

          • postalnews

            As it happens, postal employees don’t receive Treasury checks, and haven’t for years. Not that it matters- under the original law that created the USPS, all of the money it receives is deposited in the Treasury’s Postal Service Fund. The law also provides that all money in that fund is appropriated to the USPS to pay its expenses. The appropriation is a permanent part of the law that created the USPS, so there is no need for Congress to make an annual appropriation in order for the USPS to have access to its money.

            Retirees are paid by OPM, the same as any other federal retiree. The money to pay postal retirees comes from their payroll deductions, along with the employer contribution which is paid by the USPS from USPS revenue.

            When you ask “How do they pay the retirees if they are not paying into the fund?”, I assume you’re talking about the Retiree Health Benefit Fund. That is a totally different account that was set up to pre-fund future retiree health benefits. Current retiree’s pensions and health benefits are paid for out of current USPS revenues and employee contributions.

      • Icorps1970

        So who writes your paycheck? Does it say “US Treasury Dept” by any chance?

        • Kellie Renee

          No my checks DO NOT say us treasury on them .. have not for over 17 years. Learn first before you spew nonsense. USPS is a independent agency… maybe if you were informed you could make a comment that made sense

      • Kellie Renee

        No my checks DO NOT say us treasury on them .. have not for over 17 years. Learn first before you spew nonsense. USPS is a independent agency

  • Sara Robinson

    Is everyone out looking for more ways to bash the Postal Service or does no one have anything to back up their complaints? This was just getting interesting.

    • Leah

      I have plenty of complaints backed up from my neighborhood. Neighbors reported to me their issues and I represented them to the OIG and the post office involved. In less than a month – I received 60 complaints! Some were theft and tampering – and the rest were some serious delivery issues. Not talking about the occasional misdelivery to your neighbor – REAL issues.

  • Oops

    Aliens, did it.

  • Susan Pilgrim

    So, how come you get to be opened and get paid while our Military has to suffer and not get paid? Doesn’t make much sense since you don’t go out and fight and they do. Explain that bs theory. BTW, USPS sucks. I sent a letter out of Woodland Park, CO. to FL, got there in 4 Days. That same item I sent back that I ordered came from Fl, sat in Denver, CO for 4 days. Took 16 days to get to me. Maybe you don’t think your ratings are low, but I do. And if they weren’t so low, then how come most of them open at 10 am close for lunch from 1-2 and final close at 5. And why bother to be open on Saturdays if you are only open for 2 hours?

    • Kristy

      So, next time deliver it yourself. See how much it costs you to do compared to the 47 cents USPS charges.

      • Jim Steel

        Hey Kristy:
        A donkey could deliver letters better than the post office–they suck like you and Paul–you two probably work there.

    • Paul

      Why would USPS shut down when its paying its employees with money it generated on its own? Also, you should think about the fact that a huge percentage of USPS employees are former military. Thanks for supporting the vets lady and maybe do some homework before spouting off like this.

      • Icorps1970

        Do the checks say “USPS” or do ANY OF THEM, employees or retirees come from the treasury?

      • Jim Steel

        Hey Paul!
        If they are former vets, hope they did a better job defending our nation than processing packages–they suck and have bad attitudes.
        Should be privatized and have better performance standards.

        • xGarthx

          Yeah, postage would be around $1 per package and you’d pay UPS prices.

          • xGarthx

            $1.50 per letter*

    • Kenny T.

      Your post office sucks, but mine hasn’t messed up in the 50 years I’ve been using it. It’s ridiculous and ignorant to make such a blanket claim based on your personal experience.

    • Leah

      They have a union.

  • Crsandont Wantto

    More importantly… Why does the Federal Reserve call itself Federal? It is privately owned and operated and internally regulated and does not answer to anyone in the so called “Government” and yet it has been Robbing Americans for over a hundred years and no one seems to care?

    • darkhorse

      yes… also, why is Fed Ex called Federal? LOL!! The federal Reserve is a cabal of Jewish International banksters – it is this group that created the Internal Revenue Dept. as their collection Agency…I’m not kidding when I call this country the United States of Israel! Our troops are and have been fighting the Jewish wars in the Middle East so the Jews can control the entire ME. Israel and the Geo W Bush Admin neocons perpetrated 911 to provide and excuse to start bombing the ME. They want Syria for the gas and oil pipeline and of course, crypto Donald, is helping them.

  • Susan L Maher

    The postal service lost 15.9 billion in 2012 followed by 5.3 and 4.8 billion in 2014 and 2014.Fortune magazine did a study and says the postal service costs taxpayers at least 18 billion a year.Mostly through salaries that far exceed comparable private sector salaries and production increases that lag far behind the private sector.

    • postalnews

      Cite your source. (And no, “Fortune says” is not a source citation). The USPS doesn’t receive taxpayer dollars (disagree? again, cite your source- what law appropriates taxpayer money for the USPS) , so it would be impossible for USPS salaries or productivity to have any impact on taxpayers.

      • bill jonez

        Your source is the usps facebook page.

  • Richard_Ran

    Actually privatize the whole sordid thing and let customers be the judge of this “service”. Problem solved.

  • Macpappy

    Sorry Snowflake, the last shutdown was from Shummer.

  • Johnnie Martin

    I use and support the USPS

  • Arva Larva

    Brian: Calm down in the exclamation points to help your credibility.

    • postalnews

      Hmmm… After 20 years of doing this, I think I’m all set for credibility, thanks! Always good to hear from anonymous commenters with nothing to add to the conversation though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gordon Wieland

    Thank you for your informative post on whether USPS is privatized or a government agency. You spoil your reputation, though, when you express your highly questionable views in this response to Susan Pilgrim. I agree that Susan Pilgrim’s rant is silly. But you are mistaken in stating: “Shutdowns are brought to you by Donald Trump and the GOP majority in Congress.” Democrats have also “brought” us shutdowns. See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/?utm_term=.02f6b9794a79

    Also, your claim that your “solution” solves the problem is no solution. One of the major reasons for shutdowns is divergence of “willing[ness] to borrow.” Ergo, there is no such thing as “don’t appropriate more money than you … are willing to borrow.” Agreement on how much that should be would be necessary. I stand with Rand Paul. Do you? Do all the senators and congressional representatives?

    • postalnews

      You’re wrong- please note that I was speaking in the present tense. We currently have one party rule in Washington, so the party in charge is responsible for forcing a government shutdown. Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter have nothing to do with it. (I’d also point out that Trump’s “negotiating” style is effectively that of a terrorist. Rather than propose a compromise, he threatens to blow up the government if he doesn’t get everything he wants.)

      Once the Democrats reassert control in the House, and pass a clean funding bill, a Trump veto (or defeat in the GOP run Senate) will still result in Trump and his toadies bearing responsibility for a continued shutdown.

      While the debt limit is not involved in the current Trump shutdown, your comment on borrowing is also wrong. You say “there is no such thing as “don’t appropriate more money than you … are willing to borrow.” Agreement on how much that should be would be necessary.”

      Well, ummm…, yes it would be. And Congress DID agree on how much that would be when they passed the debt limit. And then they still went ahead and appropriated more money (AND slashed taxes on the wealthy) without coming up with the revenue to fund that additional spending.

      That’s my point. The debt limit is a phony issue.

      • Gordon Wieland

        My apologies. I didn’t know you are so grammatically challenged that you think using the present tense somehow changes the fact that when you say “shutdowns are brought to you” you are speaking of shutdowns in general, not any particular shutdown. And shutdowns in general includes all shutdowns, even Jimmy Carter’s.

        As far as the issue with the debt limit, I guess I should have backed up and asked exactly what problem it is that you claim to have solved. You certainly haven’t solved the problem of borrowing–unless, of course, you mean you are in favor of unlimited borrowing, which is a foolishly short-term viewpoint rather than a real solution.

  • Motorcitymadman

    USPS lost another package… In the last three months they have completely lost one package, its gone never gonna get it, thank God it was Amazon and they gave me my money back after 3 days and 3 that were 3-5 day shipping that have been delayed more then 3 weeks because they just dont know what happened to it. Me and my buddy order the same thing the same day and his showed up to day, mine is lost in transit. They suck. Lets privatize them completely or just get rid of them. They only bring me junk mail and lose my packages.

    • http://www.christianecon.org ChristianEcon.org

      Third world countries are privatized. Progressive democracies generating the world’s highest living standards and longest life expectancies are the least privatized. The U.S. needs to emulate successful policies and stop falling behind.

      • Million_Kyles_Marching

        No they’re not, they’re governmetalized and privatization is destroyed. You sound like a parasite government employee who grew up and joined the slaver pedophile molester party that commits 96% of all US gun crime and who astonishingly are 99% of all government employee unions.

        Die by dark.

  • Eric Carr

    The USPS should be eliminated. Private companies just do it better and they actually turn a profit. I don’t think anyone would care if UPS became the official mail carrier in the US. Or Fed Ex. Or whomever. Postal workers can get jobs elsewhere, in actual productive industries.

    • Danksta TheOG

      Actually WE would care. UPS does a terrible job at delivering packages in a timely fashion and care. You clearly don’t use these services. USPS is better than UPS and Fedex combined.

      Just because you don’t use the service doesn’t mean it should be eliminated. Millions rely on the postal system and it’s a very good system.

      • Chris Neilson

        I respectfully disagree. I live in a rural area and make lots of online purchases. UPS and FedEx are always more dependable than the USPS and almost always on time. With the USPS I’ve had lost items, damaged items, and
        Priority Mail items the did not arrive on time. And no, weather or Christmas wasn’t a factor.

        • Jim Towne

          This guy above says it every time about not delivering to every address. UPS and FEDEX deliver to every physical address out there. USPS on the other hand only delivers to PO boxes in remote areas. Must be a postal worker.

        • Angie

          Completely agree.

      • Jim Towne

        Just used priority mail to ship documents 200 miles away. After going from California to the East Coast and back it was finally delivered a week later. 2 days in a row my home deliveries have been delivered by my neighbors as the regular mail has been misdelivered. This was not junk mail these were bank statements and insurance forms…..

      • Jorge Linares

        usps better than ups and fedex… That was a good joke.

        • Angie

          USPS idea of delivering large Amazon packages…. drop them under my mailbox (that’s 500 yards away from my house). UPS and FedEx idea of delivering ALL mail… right to my front door.

          I live in a rural area… no problem with private delivery companies coming out my way.

          Look, I don’t want to see the United States Postal Service fail, but to survive they need to get rid of the union (I know, the truth hurts) and start operating like a private company & not a government identity.

          Times will continue to change. They say the Internet hurt the post office. How is that? Just because birthday cards are no longer mailed? What about ALL the large packages the Internet created? There’s a lot more profit in packages then there is in some fifty cent birthday card.

          Yes… the USPS should be turning a profit. Whoever suggested it’s not a requirement, doesn’t know the first thing about business. Unfortunately, neither does the Postal Service.

          • http://www.christianecon.org ChristianEcon.org

            You can always move to a corrupt, privatized, undemocratic third world country. No pesky collective bargaining or government services, or taxes for that matter. See ya.

          • Million_Kyles_Marching

            This isn’t a Democracy it’s a Federal Republic. Leave it to a government parasite to pretend to not know.

    • neutronJK

      Perhaps you’re not aware that UPS and Fedex won’t deliver to many thousands of locations across this country because they are remote and delivery to them wouldn’t be profitable. So what happens when you ship something to rural Alaska or Wyoming via Fedex? Fedex air freights it to athe nearest large city then pays the USPS to deliver it. Just another example of private industry relying on government services to get the job done. And no, I am not a USPS or federal employee.

      • Jim Towne

        You are wrong again. The services that you talk about are surepost and smartpost. They are designed to be delivered by the post office utilizing a slower service. Both companies deliver to every physical address if shipped thru standard UPS and FEDEX ground delivery. Look it up.

      • postalnews

        Eric is one of those people who has a theological need for everything to be run for the profit of the elites. Nothing in the Constitution requires the USPS to “turn a profit”. If people are happy with the USPS (as they seem to be), then it should be allowed to continue as it currently exists.

        • PrinceHarming

          If it’s not necessary to ‘turn a profit’ shouldn’t it at least break even? We are charged a fee per transaction, unlike other government services which are funded through taxes. Shouldn’t there be Some level of accountability for waste, fraud and abuse?

          • postalnews

            Two separate questions-

            1- Should the USPS be required to break even?

            Sure- if that’s what the people want.There’s no constitutional impediment to the federal government subsidizing USPS if Congress chooses to.

            2. Shouldn’t there be Some level of accountability for waste, fraud and abuse?

            Sure- and there is. Postal employees are bound by all the rules and laws that apply to other federal employees, in addition to specific postal related rules.

          • bill jonez

            That is no accountability at ALL.

          • Suz Jarreau

            Does NASA turn a profit or break even? What exactly has NASA done to service the citizens of USA lately? Does NASA employ as many of the ‘average Joe/Josephine’ like the USPS? Since the USPS is
            ‘an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States, like CIA and NASA’, it should be on equal funding. And with same expectations.

        • Karen T

          The taxpayer is going to be on the hook for another bailout. The postal service can’t keep operating in the red.

      • Mom Sandie

        It isn’t passed off from FedEx to the USPS just in rural areas. This happens a lot here in suburban Minneapolis, MN too.

        • Dee LeGrand

          It happens in my area to rural Mass not that far from big cities!
          USPS supplies a service to the people and the older generations need the postal service since they do not use the virtual methods that many younger generations use. In fact I had to purchase stamps for the first time in years so I can post my mothers mail, she doesn’t want her info out on the webby thing as she calls it. Remote banking is not in her vocabulary 🙂 The USPS had to pay into OPEB in order to future fund retiree health benefits just as all government had to do.

    • http://www.christianecon.org ChristianEcon.org

      “Private companies just do it better” Lmao based on what?

    • Pearl

      I no longer have trust in the USPS. Esp. as it’s union endorses Biden.

  • Jim Towne

    Why do they lose billions every year? My carriers now have cell phones in their ears blabbing as they misdeliver your package. Ain’t it great.

    • neutronJK

      You obviously haven’t been watching what the UPS and FedEx drivers do when they deliver your packages.

      • Jim Towne

        Yeah I have and the lose billions every year. Go ahead talk to me.So poorly run. If true independent companies lost that kind of money. They would be gone.

        • neutronJK

          I hate to get partisan here, but there is no way to explain what’s happening without doing that. Republicans in Congress begin with the assumption that any service run by the government will be inefficient and they take every opportunity to tell people that. And then they set about making it look that way by doing things like:
          1. Making the postal service deliver to every mail address in the US while allowing USP, FedEx, DHL and the others deliver to costlier routes using the USPS. In short, they help private companies pass their expensive and money-losing routes off to the government.
          2. They forced the USPS to fully fund all potential pension liabilities for works in advance, but were careful to ensure that the same rule didn’t apply to FedEx and the others.
          In short, they say that the USPS is inefficient, then they stack the deck to reinforce that notion.
          Let’s make FedEx and UPS deliver to every address in the nation and fully fund their pension obligations in advance. Then let’s see who is most efficient.

          • Jim Towne

            Well in the interest of partisanship UPS and FedEx do deliver to every address in the U.S. UPS and FEDEX both tried to get into the mail aspect on their own but were denied do to the MONOPOLY USPS has on what is deemed mail. They can get into the package but the 2 previously mentioned can’t get into the mail. What both private companies garner as mail are sorted and bulk delivered to USPS distribution facilities to be sorted and delivered. Neither company picks and chooses what addresses or zip codes they will take. They actually help USPS on the delivery side by dropping it at the distribution facility. Without that business USPS would be in a bigger mess. As far as pensions the threat of insolvency and employee loss of all retirement monies forced the government to push the issue. Again as simple economics would dictate truly private companies working in such a negative aspect…well they would history not bailed out.

          • neutronJK

            Do the research, Jim. They do NOT deliver to every address in the US. Show us even one verifiable instance where either UPS or Fedex tried to get into the mail delivery business. If you want to hate the USPS or the government, be my guest. Live with your delusions.

          • Jim Towne

            I will say 20 plus years ago thus their bulk mail services were created which is picked up UPS and FEDEX sorted, moved, and delivered to USPS facilities where the end delivery is by USPS.Delusional I think not. By the way they deliver to every valid street address in the U.S. Do your research.

          • neutronJK

            Jim,
            If you visit just about any farmers forum site, you will note that they say UPS and FedEx deliver to some areas (often through contractors rather than regular delivery employees) and in many cases, they deliver only to the nearest Post Office where the recipient must go to pick up the parcel.

          • Jim Towne

            Depending on level of service USPS delivers the end product when it is surepost or smartpost which is designed to be delivered by USPS. UPS delivers to every address and contracts no one. FedEx home delivery are all contract drivers and deliver as they see fit.. FedEx ground delivers all of their packages through their own operation. Contractually speaking they deliver to every address. FEDEX HOME calls their own shots. Fedex Home is not really FedEx. They contract those drivers to be the end delivery. Not fulfilling that obligation is a contract violation.

          • Tammi L

            I hope you all realize IF they privatize the USPS, you won’t be mailing letters at anything close to $0.55; that price would probably triple or quadruple to have the “private” company profitable. Be careful what you wish for.

          • Karen T

            It will be cheaper than the taxpayer bailout that is coming.

          • bill jonez

            What are you talking about. The USPS has price increase every time you turn around. Once USPS figures out shippers start using slower and cheaper mailing services in response to their price hikes they jack up the “economy” rates to milk every dime. As small business owner I’ve had to completely drop using first class due to incessant rate increases by usps.

          • bill jonez

            You a idiot. As a small business owner I ship hundreds of orders a week. I see the USPS incompetence all the time. I have deal with usps screwups all the time because i gave to deal with customer complaints. I have literally seen through tracking packages sitting a post office ( like the Dallas facility) for 1 to 2 weeks without moving. I have rotinely seen packages routed to wrong coast of the usa not once but twice before getting finally getting sent to where their destination.

          • neutronJK

            A couple points here, Bill:
            1. People should be able to disagree on these topics without one calling the other insulting names.
            2. If you are going to resort to calling someone an idiot, use the sentence “You’re an idiot.” not “You a idiot.” Otherwise, people will regard you as an uneducated ass-clown.

          • Million_Kyles_Marching

            You need to attend an institution of higher learning not run by the same government employees who told you a magical gassiness made the sky a heater because of fire sin.

            USPS is designated in the Constitution.

            Other corporations are not: they’re private.

            go to your basement and huff more paint.

  • richard davidson

    I went for a interview with the USPS. The first thing were told is that the USPS was “NOT” a federal government agency.

    • postalnews

      Read the law- if they really told you that, they were obviously mistaken.Most of our readers are postal employees, and the fact that so many believe the myth is the reason we published this post. Don’t take my word for it- read the references in the post. I’ll take the Supreme Court and the Library of Congress as references.

  • Craig Guthrie

    The USPS is a perfect example of why government involvement in free-market business simply does not work, especially in combination with a worker’s union slowly killing the business from within as well. Just like humans meddling with nature always backfires, the same applies to the natural order of a free market.

    As the author here states, Congress does not specifically appropriate funds to keep the USPS, despite the fact that it is obviously bleeding to death. This does not mean the USPS does not burden the tax payer in any way. What Congress does do, is allow the USPS to forward fund pensions very far into the future. There are people that haven’t even BEEN BORN YET, let alone hired by USPS yet, for which the USPS has borrowed against their pensions. WTF is right. No private business would ever be able to do this to stay afloat. Not to mention plenty of other business benefits bestowed on the USPS by the Fed, such as, being able to borrow at very favorable rates, many tax breaks, and having restrictions on any other companies being able to handle 1st class mail.

    The concept that all of the above is acceptable for the purpose of keeping the price of a stamp low and flat-rate, makes zero sense. The fact that a letter delivered to the remote Alaska wilderness or the tribe that lives at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, only accessible via a 20 mile round-trip mule tow, cost the same as a letter mailed across town, is absurd. The USPS should be privatized and operate at a break even minimum, like any other American business. If that isn’t possible, another more efficient entity will take it’s place, just like every other market in the private sector.

    • postalnews

      “What Congress does do, is allow the USPS to forward fund pensions very far into the future. There are people that haven’t even BEEN BORN YET, let alone hired by USPS yet, for which the USPS has borrowed against their pensions. ”

      WTF? That is the most bizarre postal fantasy tale I’ve ever heard, and I’ve heard many. I have no idea what “forward funding pensions” is supposed to mean, or how it magically creates money you can “borrow against”.

      Anyone?

      I’m guessing you skimmed some news story about the USPS pre-funding requirement and then just made up the rest.

      As everyone else knows, pre-funding takes money from the postal service and stashes it away in the Treasury as a reserve for future retiree health benefits (NOT pensions).

      How you think that the USPS somehow “borrows against” that money is beyond me. Why would the USPS want to put money aside and “borrow against” it?

      The reality is that the Congress REQUIRED the USPS to prefund future retiree health benefits. The USPS derives NO advantage from that requirement- just the opposite. In the early years of the mandate, the USPS ended up borrowing money in order to meet the pre-funding requirement.That maxed out its $15 billion line of credit, so it has since simply defaulted on the payments.

      And yet, much to the politicians’s surprise (and dismay), the USPS has continued to operate day after day, year after year, relying exclusively on its own revenue to pay its bills.

      You might say “at a break even minimum, like any other American business”!

      • rillito

        Skip the BS. I appreciate that your publication is intended to run interference and present a pleasant PR image for the PO. The truth is that the “Postal Service” is a broken entity with substandard management and is indeed a quasi-governmental agency. The employees may be federal employees, but the organization they work for, because it pays its own bills, is not directly accountable to the federal government, making it in practice quasi-governmental, regardless of how you want to spin the definition. The Post Office suffers from 50 years of bad management and capitulation to union demands for higher wages and more benefits. In the meantime, the service level has plummeted. My father worked for the Post Office for 40 years, retiring at an executive level in a very large city. He’d cry like a baby if he could see what the PO has become. Like so many other facets of our deteriorating society, the PO’s sorry state is nothing less than tragic.

    • http://www.christianecon.org ChristianEcon.org

      These Dunning Kurger free marketers are always so eager to show off their YouTube U. degrees. The reason privatization is less efficient is people are then forced to pay for the service/good PLUS profits for irrelevant shareholder parties.

  • dwight sanders

    Put more in to these system it will get better

  • Red Beard

    here’s my question, why does the usps need a union?

    • Powerfader

      Why can a government entity express support for ANY political candidate running for ANY office. That would be the same as the IRS showing support for a political candidate, or any other government org.

      • postalnews

        No government entities are allowed to “express support for ANY political candidate running for ANY office”.

        Their employees don’t give up THEIR rights to participate in the democratic process however. There are rules governing their political activities, in order to prevent undue influence in decision making.

        • Pearl

          Well, the USPS union is endorsing Biden. Conflict of interest? Yes.

    • postalnews

      Ask the employees. It’s their decision whether or not to unionize.

    • acroyer x

      Umm, to represent USPS employees and their interests?

  • Cheryl Kissell

    There is NO government the US is a federal Corporation, not a government…Their words not mine…Title 28 of the USC…section 3002 and 15a. Wish people would wake up to that fact!

  • Jeff

    Imagine ups and fed-ex having to deliver to every house every day. They’d have to hire about 5 x the number of employees just to get daily deliveries done. I’m retired from USPS and you might think I seem to be partial, but, I’ve seen the going on for 33 years. The Post Office was not in the red until congress decided that we must Prefund retirements for the next 70 years.

  • stephendietrich

    The USPS often is mischaracterized as a quasi governmental or private entity. It is neither. The USPS is a government agency that was created by Congress to achieve various public purposes. that’s odd , because when I worked for USPS, they characterized themselves that way.

    • independent_forever

      Maybe that’s the problem….either the Federal Govt has to get completely out of the way and allow them total independence (i.e. outside the govt like a private company) OR just make them an agency since they seem to have toes in the water in things like retirement and health benefits as well as Congress setting prices in some areas….weird set up if you ask me and I can see why the USPS is doomed to failure with this vague identity it seems to have. I think if tax dollars are needed for a bailout this organization should be allowed to fail if it cannot manage its finances. Sad for workers who are just trying to make a living but the way businesses must succeed or fail unfortunately. Cheers!

    • postalnews

      What matters is the law, not how individual postal employees “characterize” the organization. The law is very simple and unambiguous.

  • Dave Crabill

    I can see Amazon taking over the role of the USPS. They are on it already.

  • S.S.Bramwell

    It was set up to pay pr itself and not lose billions of dollars every year! That’s why they kept raising stamp prices for so many years…It’s not about profit, it’s about hemorrhaging money for years; like so many other bad policies that suck up tax dollars as well as add to our national public debt! We the people pay four hundred billion dollars a year in interest on the twenty trillion dollar public debt. This interest of one billion dollars a day sucks up over twenty percent of our federal taxes! Guess who like to spoil us with our own money? they also borrow over a trillion dollars a year to meet a budget! Future American generations will be responsible for our irresponsible fiscal spending! But George w. Bush, Chris Dodd, and Nancy Pelosi i.e. don’t give a rats rear end; making a back room deal to give seven hundred billion dollars of our tax dollars to Wall street banks no questions asked! With the legacy of slavery we now endure; the debt we leave for our descendants will cripple all but the very rich! But no one gives a damn–after all–we’ll all be dead! We are a spiritually sick society! Take a look in the mirror! “People will do anything, no matter how absurd, to avoid facing their own soul!” ~ Carl Jung …The false-ego is destroying the human race and the planet! It’s just a matter of time. By the time this becomes blatantly obvious it will be too late to reach out and grab the proverbial ledge, as we will already be in a free-fall! Oh those that used to say ” If your not living on the edge, then your taking up too much space.” Oh have no fear–concerns–but not irrational fear; silly conspiracy theories! Whatever, continue to hide your heads in the sand…you may not smell the feces when it hits the fan, but that will be due to severe disconnects of unimaginable forms!

  • Million_Kyles_Marching

    Spoken by a true government employee parasite.

  • Pearl

    It doesn’t seem right that the USPS union has endorsed Biden. That truly seems like a conflict of interest. Mail in ballots are vulnerable.