Video: Letter carrier shot and killed while delivering mail at 7:20 PM in DC suburb

DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG

Update: according to the Washington Post:

The shooting occurred about 7:20 p.m. in the Cheverly-Landover area of the county, said Officer Harry Bond, a police spokesman. Apparently the man was delivering mail on or near Reed Street when the shooting occurred. It was well after sunset when the shooting occurred. Residents of the area said mail is not usually delivered there so late.

“It was mighty late,” the neighbor said.

It was thought that the carrier’s unfamiliarity with the route might have been linked to the lateness of his deliveries.

CHEVERLY, Md. – Prince George’s County Police are investigating a fatal shooting of a Postal Worker.

It happened Saturday evening on the 1600 block of Reed Street in Cheverly.

According to police, officers who responded found the Postal Worker shot.

He was pronounced dead on the scene.

Read more: Postal worker shot to death in Cheverly – DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG.

The Washington Post has more details here.

  • matt

    Carriers should never be forced to deliver mail after dark!. Management keeps making changes to truck schedules that slow the distribution of mail to ao’s. Which forces carries out on the streets later. Its a sad fact by this will happen again all over america. So sad!

    • JG4th

      Gee UPS is out after dark….

      • Jacqueline Forbes

        UPS doesn’t deliver door to door and they don’t deliver checks that people might want to steal!

        • JG4th

          rationalize all you want they still deliver valuable packages after dark

          • Jacqueline Forbes

            Have you ever delivered USPS mail? I didn’t think so. There’s a big difference between pulling your UPS or FedEx truck up to a door and delivering a package versus parking your USPS LLV at a corner then walking and delivering mail for two or four blocks, working your way back to your vehicle. The UPS and FedEx drivers can see the address of hte package using their light in their vehicle and return to the close safety of their vehicle. The letter carrier cannot. BIG DIFFERENCE!!

          • JG4th

            Uh I delivered mail out of a jeep and then one of the first LLV’s… they make these remarkable things called headlamps… you might want to try one Petzl makes a good one.

          • RouteCmnSns

            Uh, I have a headlamp and that still does not justify carriers delivering mail and parcels in the DARK! This is a safety issue and management could care less!

          • Jacqueline Forbes

            THANK YOU!!!!

          • bigtime

            did you have dps, fss and parcels ? cause i remember them days too and the difference is night and day. when i set up the mail it was near 100% accurate, now i would estimate a tub full of mail everyday that has to be straightened out . (holds/forwards/missorted/mangled/so on.)

          • Jacqueline Forbes

            I started delivering out of a jeep and transitioned to an LLV as well. You must be in management to think the way you do. I don’t need a head-lamp because I am no longer serving on that plantation called the USPS. No one should have to be out wearing a head-lamp to deliver mail. Carriers should come in earlier to get the mail delivered earlier. What if someone gets shot fooling around at someone’s door in the dark while delivering mail? There are still routes out there with door-to-door delivery.

          • JG4th

            Uh as already mentioned I am retired…. 1/1/11.

          • Jacqueline Forbes

            Uh…you never said you were retired on MY thread but I beat you to it. 6/06/06

          • JG4th

            Hopefully you are financially secure… I went at 56 with no debt…

          • Angela

            SMH, u sound idiotic. Yesterday I got to work at 8, filed my mail in my case and had to wait an hour before the truck came to get the rest of the mail. Needless to say. I got to the street at 11am, and HAD to work an hour on another route. But it is all logical to you though! I guess that was our fault right??

          • bigtime

            dude they drive to the front of the house carrying just the package for that house (yeah they might have a few ) we have arm with flats cradle in it , hand with letters in it , satchel swinging from shoulder, (lets just say 10 pounds not to muddy the water ) so 1 hand is free to open box/gate/door probally have to bend down to slide mail thru slot on bottom of door,then repeat this over and over again every 20 feet till done with loop and reload again. now for the ups and fedex parcels that you cant squeeze into satchel (no this is not santas magic sack that fits everything ) you will then and only then becoming a ups driver and simply drive to house and toss it onto porch. DOES THIS SHOW YOU THE APPLES AND ORANGES DIFFERENCE ONCE AND FOR ALL ?

      • matt

        If you had a clue you would know that usps delivers 85% of ups parcels in rural areas because they don’t want to pay their “drives” to go deliver them. The usps is required by law to deliver to every address everyday. As carriers we dont get to choose. Walking up to a house after dark with your llv parked blocks away the home owner has no idea who is walking around their house.

        • JG4th

          Actually USPS delivers approximately 30% of the last mile delivery for both UPS and FedEx, we also have/had a major contract with FedEx to move our priority mail… btw as a side note I saw a UPS driver make deliveries where there are no rural or city routes…so they deliver to addresses that the USPS doesn’t.

          • matt

            In our ao we can see the amount ups drops off for us to deliver. Your 30% number is maybe correct as a whole for the country. But in rural america we are doing 85%. We actually count the parcels daily!. And it is law every address everyday. There are some building that people use that dont get mail but will get pakages delivered from ups. Costumers choice.

          • JG4th

            I worked in a large Metro area… parcels are supposed to be counted along with the rest of the mail.. you don’t deliver to an address that you don’t have mail for…

          • matt

            Mail get delivered to an address. Some business have po box for mail but still get street delivery for parcels. Depends on where it is addressed.

          • JG4th

            I guess you are one of the few carriers that has mail for every house every day… I have a hard time believing that..

          • matt

            You deliver parcels for houses even if you dont have mail for them. My route is 45% business some of which choose to have a po box for letter and flats but parcels get deliver as addressed. They havent had active coa in years. And yea with eddms 4 out 6 days a week I have mail for all addresses 4 out 6 days a week!

          • JG4th

            Matt I was a city carrier in the fastest growing area in the country, I was also a shop steward… I retired out of finance… living proof that you can work your way up.

          • matt

            I have been a carrier for 17 years. And stop steward for last 10 years. My mom started as a clerk in 86 now she has been a postmaster for 8 years. My mother in law has been a clerk for 22 year. Non of us work in the same office, but we all agree there are serious short comings in upper management and the people running this american service. I enjoy what I do and would never want to move up in the company. Carriers provide more to this company than any manager ever will!

          • JG4th

            Well good luck with your endeavors and you are entitled to your opinion.. but I retired in 32 years with a pension that would take you 41 years to get… and I am of the opinion that my service to the country is just as worthwhile as yours… you faced your case and I faced mine

          • matt

            I started at 18 and will have 37.5 years in when I retire. I have been putting 15% into tsp “g” fund since I started and will continue till I retire. With my 37.5% of my high 3 plus what will be in my tsp when I retire will far a weigh what your retirement. I will walk at 56.6 years old. If you truly know finance you will have to agree I will be just fine. It just come down to good planning and what make you happy. Delivering mail to my costumers and having 600+ people happy to see me daily makes the job Fun! Have a great thanksgiving! Enjoy retirement. God bless the carriers family that lost his life delivering Americas mail.

          • JG4th

            You would be better off in a lifecycle fund targeted towards your retirement date… I walked at 56…

          • RouteCmnSns

            So you have no clue of what it’s like to carry 3rd bundle, parcels and having to clock in late hours in the morning . Now I see why it’s easy for you to make your insensitive comments.

          • JG4th

            you make a lot of assumptions….

          • RouteCmnSns

            Nah.

  • Ramona Williams

    UNION get to work

  • smh2013

    bring the mail back…. can’t see “SAFETY” issue!!!

    • JG4th

      Wow considering that Alaska is dark for months how do they “Safely” deliver the mail???

      • tarheelfan

        By your three comments, you must be management…if you are not you should be!

        • JG4th

          nah retired

          • RouteCmnSns

            Then it’s easy for you to make comments about stuff you know nothing about. When did you retire, 1800?

          • JG4th

            I retired 1/1/11 after 32.5 years making in retirement what a topped out city carrier makes… y’all keep plugging along maybe you will get here

          • RouteCmnSns

            Wonder if your old customer base in Mayberry really miss you?

          • JG4th

            Try Las Vegas…

          • RouteCmnSns

            Poor Vegas

          • JG4th

            just a wee bit bigger than mayberry

          • Mailman030

            Then stay retired and keep your idiotic comments to yourself..

          • JG4th

            or??

      • best sub ever

        I’m sure the don’t have walking routes there that’s why

        • JG4th

          You are sure?

      • pdgt

        I wonder what the routes are like in Alaska. Where I deliver I’m driving on 6 lane highways with a million people crammed into the county. Many of them snow birds who come down for the winter. Not only is it not safe to deliver the mail, it isn’t safe to drive. The LLV’s have awful blind spots that are only made worse by the dark. It was only a matter of time before something like this happened. My prayers go out to the family.

  • bigtime

    years ago when there wasnt automation and record volumes of mail, you never saw a carrier on street after 4 pm. now with automation of most letters and flats you see carriers delivering well after 5,6 and 7pm. this is the direct result of management bringing carriers in to start day at 8,830 and 9 am. volumes are down street time has been grossly strechted by management. they wont tell you but sick time , injuries and deaths are way up. when carriers could set up the routes so even stevie wonder could deliver it, the street was good , now you are taking out letters that are raw , flats that are raw, the only bundle of the 3 is the 1 you sorted into delivery order,the other 2 bundles contain missorted mail hold mail mail that should be forwarded and every other thing you could imagine. while juggling these 3 bundles you also have your parcels and the countless scans that might be able to be scanned , but more than likely you will be punching into a scanner a number like this 810568756332688612 thats right manually entering these numbers numerous times during the day. i could go on forever but the easiest thing to do will be for these people in the decision making areas be forced to carry mail for 1 day just so they finally realize the destruction they have implemented to the delivery process. never mind the social damage they are doing to american families by directly putting people into danger by making them deliver in unsafe conditions,lowering the chances of being safe by having to be a octopuss to juggle 3 bundles of mail and the other stuf that must also be doneto complete a delivery and messing with someones ability to support a familyif you dare speak up. its a shame that people that can be clueless are decision/ policy makers .

    • Luis

      @a341be4d14890604bd2939748c2f57e6:disqus You are so right. Management says that they can’t get the mail to us in time but the solution is so simple it’s not even funny. Just let us start earlier and case everything (FSS, DPS, door to door etc.) and by the time we get it up the parcels, hot case , express mail should all be ready and we can get back in a timely manner. I’m from Chicago and it is extremely dangerous to be delivering mail after dark.

    • JG4th

      Really? As a carrier during election season I remember being on the street at 9:45 pm… and that was well before any automation or vertical flats

      • bigtime

        yes true , but that was a special thing having 6 or 7 hand sets of razor thin election house to house mailings. im talking normally.

        • JG4th

          More like 8-10 for a rt that had ~550 residential dels, no vert flats no dps 3.5 cases 6 shelves on top of casing 20′ of mail

    • Ken Mumma

      Very well said, Bigtime.

      We in the Lancaster area have been screwed over by some the most useless “yes people” known to mankind. As you are probably aware, over the years people on both sides of the fence have not been in the reality of actually earning a paycheck by working in a PRODUCTIVE way themselves. This is said of both management and the union. I don’t believe they are clueless at all. They know what they are doing and the Postmaster General should be investigated by Congress and find out where his allegiances are. I would be willing to bet he has his hands involved with the privatization of the USPS. Corruption is rampant and almost every true worker is aware of it, but they are frustrated that nothing is being done to truly fix the issues at hand. Congress doesn’t care either. If it did, the 6 billion dollars we put into the U.S. Treasury for future retirements would be eliminated, which would get us back in the black financially. It is just another money grab.

      There is only one party in this country. It’s the Fukum Party.

      I want to leave with this thought by Ben Franklin: “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

      You know who you are, now start doing something.

  • Mail lady

    I love how it says it is believed the carriers unfamiliarity with the route caused his late delivery!!! Who wrote this. Postal management? Waiting to blame this poor man!! How about, reporting at 9:00 carrying 3 extra hours of overtime when it gets dark around 5:30??? Houdini couldn’t even pull that off!! Another example of “postal math” complete 9 hours of street time leaving the office at 10:30 am and be back before dark!!! Prayers to everyone involved in this senseless tragedy.

    • change

      8 hours of mail and 6 hours of daylight

  • Rural carrier

    It is a sad tragedy. Postal management insists on us coming in later and later only to put carriers out on the streets after dark. They aren’t concerned with our safety or the customers wish to get their mail early enough to go to banks, stores or whatever they might need to do. Please don”t blame the carriers for being out late, blame management. We don:t like being late with your mail and much as you done:t like getting it late. Customer service has taken a back seat with our Postal management. Sad to say.

  • RouteCmnSns

    Congress and postal management, get a clue on what it takes to run a real delivery service. If you keep bringing the carriers in at 8:00 or 8:30 in the morning, how can you expect for them to be OFF the street by 5:00pm??? Let’s put the oneness where it really belongs. Don’t blame this carrier’s death on “unfamiliarity with the route”! I am appalled by that statement. Tell that to his family and what type of reaction you will get with that. This is a result of postal management’s refusal to accept the fact that the plants should be getting the mail to the stations earlier. Accountable mail and parcels need to be at the stations earlier. The clerks need to come in earlier to get the parcels and accountable mail assigned to the perspective routes. The carriers should be coming in no later than 7:00am and be at their first delivery point no later than 9:30am. Getting to the first delivery point at 11:00 or sometime after is a guarantee that the carriers will be delivering in the dark all year long. Stop blaming the carriers for management deficiencies. And let’s not talk about how STUPID the 3rd bundle system is, especially for walking routes! This carrier’s life is gone due to no fault of his own. But I guess management will say ‘He shouldn’t have been out there that late’.

    • Change

      Maybe I’m a radical..but it is time for us to do something and stop being bystanders.

  • joe

    Upper Management in The USPS is responsible for letter carriers delivering mail so late at night. 20 years ago letter carriers started work at 6:00am. Now letter carrier’s starting times are 8:30am. They are not finishing their own routes till at least 6:00pm & then they are being “forced” to carry mail on vacant routes that The USPS won’t fill. Letter Carriers are out in the dark every night delivering on expanded routes that are 30-40% larger then they were just 3 years ago & delivering 2-3 times the amount of parcels & spurs then they were just a few years ago. It’s a shame upper management in The USPS has not figured out a way to get all of the mail to the local units early enough so carriers can start earlier & not be out late & in the dark. Until The USPS addresses this situation mail will continue to be delivered later & later & in the dark & Letter Carriers lives will continue to be put at risk.

  • Tony

    This whole situation is an easy fix, but the Post Office never listened to me during my career. After my retirement , I will be instrumental in removing all the clutter and flotsam that presently exists and show how simple the fixes really are! Enjoy your big inflated salaries while you can VP’s and useless managers, it has to come to an end. The safety of our employees is being compromised far too much! Prayers to the family!

  • Jacqueline Forbes

    This is terrible to hear. This is the third carrier that I know of to be shot and killed in the DMV. When I carried mail, once it got dark, I brought the mail back, because it was too dark to read the fine print. The USPS service continues to get worse every year. When I worked for them, I went in as early as 6 AM. Now carriers come in at 8:30 or 9 AM here in FL. Mail doesn’t get delivered here until 5 PM at its earliest and as late as 7:30 PM. That’s TERRIBLE for people who have a home-business and are waiting on something to come in the mail for their business. The customer service is TERRIBLE in the stations. I have yet to meet a professional or knowledgeable window clerk. I had ONE clerk willing to give me my parcels for my box because he recognized me from being in a store. Prior to that, they told me that the window was closed when I went to the service door. Other people told them there was still 5 minutes left before closing. The clerk said they were going by HIS watch–not theirs. Changes need to be made if they want to keep the USPS in business.

    • Luis

      @210ab5e1710d5edb0c766d14532594eb:disqus If we bring back the mail we are subject to discipline and they will just make the CCA’s take it out. I don’t know if or what the union is doing about this but something definitely has got to change otherwise this will happen more frequently.

      • Jacqueline Forbes

        If you have a decent shop steward, it should not be a problem. It is not safe for you to deliver at night because it is too dark to read the mail and you can have a lot of mis-deliveries, trip over things in the dark as well as develop eye strain from reading in the dark. Unless they’re giving out coal miner hats with lights on them, that mail would come back. It was never a problem when I carried mail. They could TRY to write a carrier up, but it would get dismissed because it’s a safety issue. Perhaps your union needs to take a more active approach towards the problem. The shootings of carriers and injuries from people tripping over things in the dark and going out on injury comp for 45 days should be enough to get them to change. Carriers need to do more than be a member of the union…they need to go to union meetings and bring these types of problems to the floor so that everyone can collectively work on ways to resolve the problems.

  • tired man

    I am from Syracuse area and my rt is 11 hours long which means that at least every night for 2 hours
    i deliver mail in dark time in very bad area… Can’t stand this job anymore and seriously think to quit…

    • Change

      So is mine tired..I think the same way everyday

      • Mn

        Then quit. Nobody makes us come to work, it s a choice.

        • mmskeet

          Mn – you’re a f%$&*ing idiot

          • u cant C me

            MN u sound like a Lil b****. F*** u.

        • Mailman030

          So if you don’t like being treated as though you are the personal property of your supervisor, you should quit.

  • Mike Tisdale

    The postal SERVICE is based on just that and receiving my mail at 7 pm is no service and customers are pissed about it. Postal managements only goal it’s to hook amazon and google into long term contracts and privatization of the postal service. If you continue to cut carrier and increase route size, turn the clock back and later start times this will all lead to more and more problems. If an unintelligent person like me can figure this out surely all of those collegiate level managers can figure it out or they have other motives

  • Mr. Postman

    My sympathies to the letter carrier’s family.

    USPS management always had the mindset that EVERY accident could have been prevented. This is a wrongful death. This death could have been prevented by USPS management. This death is the responsibility of USPS management. The deceased carrier was following management’s orders. Carriers should never be placed in dangerous situations.

    Your chances of being assaulted are much greater after dark. Any police officer will tell you this. Just go to a bad neighborhood after dark. If you get assaulted and live to talk to a police officer, one of the first questions they’ll ask you is why were you in the area after dark? Didn’t you know any better?

    USPS management doesn’t know any better. I hope the letter carrier’s survivors get a good attorney and sue the P*SS out of the USPS and all involved in this tragic death.

  • Nightmare

    The lights went out at our station a few weeks ago. There was not enough light to case mail but there was enough to do other things like get our hampers, get our accountables, etc. Our manager was yelling at us to stay at our case because it was a safety issue to be walking around. Yet she has no problem with us delivering mail at 7 o’clock at night. WTF!!

  • Bob D

    It’s time that the useless pieces of garbage in Congress, took a good, honest look at the Postal Service. The consolidations must stop. Management needs to be properly overseen and Congress needs to act in a responsible manner to protect what is left of the Postal Service.

  • tired of USPS hater.

    I’m not management…it’s sad to blame anyone. Yes it is sad and a tragedy but this carrier was at the wrong place and time. There are thousands of carriers out there at all times if the day and night and in all kinds of weather. That’s our jobs. Don’t turn this mail carrier death into your political fight against USPS. If your not happy working for USPS then quit.

    • IIlIIl111

      So the Postal Service (Management) is completely and utterly rational in all of their decision making????? Huh?? And if we don’t agree……..there’s the door.

    • jjfad

      so its not management fault? They pushed my start time back twice since i been working. Older carries been pushed back more. It gets darker early, with daylight savings. Add ot, some forced. With christmas coming it will b worse, besides having more packages to deliver, criminals r thinking we got more stuff to steal.

    • RouteCmnSns

      How can you have the audacity to say that “this carrier was at the wrong place and time” COMPLETING the assignment that he was tasked to do by management. Are you kidding me?! You have some nerve telling someone to quit their job because WE are concerned about our SAFETY. And how is this a political fight? This is about postal management continuing to make POOR decisions at any cost. They get to go home to their loved ones at a decent hour. Now you tell this carrier’s family he “was at the wrong place and time”.

    • Randle G Howell III

      your first 3 words i doubt…..you sound like management. your second sentence was half right…Wrong time…..your third sentence has nothing to do with the weather. 4th sentence? thats our job? please dont think you speak for the over 400k carriers at the USPS. 5th sentence…you meant to say Please don’t turn this FELLOW CO-WORKERs death into…..lastly you sound like management when you want us to quit…you (management) are always trying to fire us for some of the craziest reasons because you cant find legitimate reasons. 5 years ago carriers were 700k+ of the workforce. we are now under 400k because of the recession. but how many worthless supervisors have we cut? IMHO most supervisors are worthless as most of them started as the laziest carriers ever. and when management cant fire them they make them a supervisor to get them off the route and get a good carrier on it. so then we got a worthless carrier promoted to a supervisor trying to tell us to run faster when we all knew he or she was worthless from the get go….thats whats wrong with the USPS, we have unqualified Management running us into the ground. none of them have the balls to tell their bosses this ain’t working cuz they don’t want to go back to carrying mail or lose their jobs….no communication

      • u cant C me

        Well said Randall. I agree 1000 percent. Love it. Lazy a** carriers who become stupid a** supervisiors

      • Nemso

        Why don’t we hire some of the many people out of work with MBAs to be our managers? Would it be any better if we did?

        • common sense

          What’s so magical about an MBA? Hate to break it to you, but USPS has tons of MBAs- they’re pretty much the people who run the organization! Why do you think hiring more empty suits with fancy diplomas is going to help?

    • C R M

      when I hired in over 28 years ago I was never trained to carry mail at night and a flashlight was not a tool of my job! even on a mounted route you can`t see the mail without the dome light on which then makes it hard to see thru the windshield! yes this is managements fault and only makes our patrons more disgusted with our service.Service and Safety have been over looked to make the numbers look good!

    • Nemso

      The carrier had no choice in the matter, and, yes, it is management’s fault we are out in the dark. In the end, management is responsible for our working conditions.

  • Donna Schiraldi Nappi

    Management thinks it’s safe to deliver in the dark. I never agreed with that. You cannot be aware of your surroundings while concentrating on getting the mail delivered. And safety is supposed to be their #1 priority. They couldn’t care less about our safety!

    • Nemso

      We recently had a safety team out on the street checking up on us. I was told I could not wear a blue tooth headset even if not talking on the phone because I might not hear children. When I asked if the safety team thought it was dangerous to work in the dark, there was no comment!!!

  • Randle G Howell III

    We are being told at our station in Houston that Management let too many clerks go downtown so they cant get the mail to us in time, so we have been moved from a 6am reporting time to 9am reporting time. with the time change that puts us in the dark everyday if you carry any overtime. on top of that other stations don’t have enough vehicles and some carriers don’t even start their routes till someone finishes and comes back. that means they have 6 hours of street time starting at around 5pm. thats not a carrier problem, its a management problem. Cutting the workforce so much you cant DO the work in time is a Management problem. We as carriers will do as we are told, but at what cost? our lives?

    • Kat

      The clerks at my station have the mail ready on most days by 7am…My carriers start at 8am. Just more BS from senior management (I am a supervisor). If I could manage my own station without threat of discipline, the carriers would be starting at 7am (common sense) and we would be properly staffed as we should ALWAYS be!!

      • highlanderone

        This is the problem…a lot of management lacks common sense. And the problem you have is that you have to follow what upper management tells you, even if they are idiots. I am really disappointed that the NALC no longer backs us up that carrying in the dark is unsafe. Bad enough to do it on one’s own route , but when you are put on a route you don’t know, or forced to cross zones…just ridiculous. I am SO ready to transfer to another craft, just not sure management would cooperate. I’ve already heard of a carrier here being denied a craft transfer because ” we need you as a carrier.” She QUIT!!!! Wish I could. I have 5 more years before I am eligible to retire and I can’t get away fast enough.

  • Kat

    I am in management at the USPS and delivering mail in the dark is absolutely ABSURD. Not only is it NOT safe, it brings the productivity level WAY DOWN (not to mention the morale of the employees)! Was saving time in the AM office worth this man’s life? They need to change the start times NOW! We need to rally the TROOPS!!!

    • Toejam

      Why don’t YOU strike, Kat? Show us how it can be done to “balk management”…………..

    • carrier

      Thanks for your honesty Kat. I have told this to my immediate supervisor. Do you have the courage to tell yours?

  • DS

    where I am at, refusing an order to carry in the dark is not an option. If you bring it back, discipline will follow. If this carrier had survived being shot here, he would have been disciplined for failure to follow instructions, failure to work in an unsafe manner. No hyperbole.

    • Nightmare

      Same here. if you bring back mail because of darkness you might not be disciplined but you will be followed and harassed.

  • u cant C me

    Idiot managers don’t care about us. It’s all about the numbers. Making themselves look good. I’m a carrier in Torrance, Ca & our OIC Delbert Rocha is a butt hole. It’s sad that a carrier had to die because of their mis-management. No one should be out in the dark. If they managed the mail better & utilized the ODL, CCA’s & PTF’s no one would be out after dark! !! There are those rare occasions when someone had to leave for whatever reason, but to come bk in the afternoon & there’s still hours of mail on the floor is poor management! ! Like I said our OIC Delbert Rocha @ Torrance M.O. is stupid, & a butt kisser…yeah I said it!!!! What!!!

    • Linda

      hope you don’t get fired – and I admire you for speaking up. Our home delivery (in a vehicle) is always by 1:00 – 2:00 the very latest, UNLESS she is out and an assistant runs the route and it is always after dark. My Prayers are with this carriers’ family and friends. So sorry this happened.

  • Luis

    Deeply saddened by the death of our postal brother. Management has blood on their hands on this one. Delivering after dark while carrying 3 bundles that you can’t see their addresses unless you go under a street light is criminal. All they care is about their parcels. We are delivery parcels for UPS, FED EX, etc and a record number of junk mail, yet they expect us to do it in 8 hours. Our stations are all understaffed and overworked. Our PTF’s have not turned over for 6 years. Our CCA’s are quitting in droves because management is overworking them and keeping them out past 8:00 pm daily. Please Mr. Rolondo, if you really care about our work safety, set up a work stoppage edict. Help us to tell management that we are tired of all this abuse.

    • Scott

      Basically u need too come up with your own common sence plan and find more efficient ways during light, deliver things that are delays and dangers before night , pick up the pace on foot rather than speed at night going back to the office or on dark driving sections. It will not be on your conscious since u still placed safety 1st and not to endanger any living life forms. I have lots of dogs, cats, wildlife and people on mine walking , jogging, biking etc. I could have easily ran over and old man on a bike just as day turning to night, when my supervisor wanted me to go as fast as I can. If I had speed off or increased LLV speed by a little the man would have been hit because he cut across an intersection with no visible reflection in front, he only had reflection on his back wheels. No matter how influential , intimidating or threatening it can become with making times everyone must be aware of their surroundings and place safe driving first. I would not expect an inexperience carrier to know enough and if he panics , yes an accident may be bound to happen. Scott 444

  • te now cca

    I am a cca in ohio our trucks are not getting to us until 8-9 or later we have been told if it is dark we will continue to carry the mail they will get us headlights to wear because the simple fact that alaska does it so can the rest of the states plus the ccas are running from office to office

  • GeeGee

    We can’t strike or talk to the media. I think all the carriers should go on strike anyway. Conditions are getting worse everyday. What are management/congress going to do……. fire all of us? Lets see what’s happens to the economy then.

  • matt

    We deliver mail after dark in areas where police dont even go after dark. Let alone our stupidvisiors!

  • bigtime

    our managers only question would be did he hit the msp scan on the vacant house before he got killed. good that’s 1 missed scan that I don’t have to worry about. spineless blanks !

  • jin

    im a mail handler working at the carrier annex and i got so much respect for the carriers… our carriers are suppose to leave the building around 9am but sometime we dont get the last truck in till after 930 (or even later on bad days)… i feel terrible seeing the carriers leave the building with heavy overflowing hampers and some have to make 2-3 trips to their vehicle due to extra parcel… supervisors yelling “8hr” behind their back dont help either!!! ccas quit as soon as they start and i dont blame them because they are expected to do something even the most experienced carriers cant… i wish that they will let the carriers come in early(some do anyway and work off the clock!!!) but then we will need the mail in early too which i know isnt possible at this time… im sorry that things are only getting worse for everyone and my heart really goes out to that young carrier who was killed pointlessly… god bless us all~

  • ace82

    I am a former TE now CCA my condolences go out to our fellow letter carrier brother.. I use to work for oak park main. In the summer I received 13 trays of FSS and 4 blocks extra off of another route. I called the stuporvisor numerous times for help. She left me out there to finish on my own til 9pm. In a area where it’s completely dark. I and I hope most of the former TE’S feel like I do about our pay. And now we must get insurance. How can we afford that on our pay. President Rolondo needs to stand up and get our pay back. Ive lost my apartment and had to move back home because of this pay cut. We as REGULARS, PTFS, CCA SHOULD STAND TOGETHER AND HELP EACH OTHER. BECAUSE THE UNION ISN’T DOING ANYTHING. All the union knows how to say is ” I don’t know” A guy once told me as I was delivering the mail, “God bless the postal service”, what a joke. Over worked and under paid.. I love my job. But we need our pay. back. How are we suppose to survive now that we are being mandated to get health insurance. Rain sleet snow or streets with no light risk your life but the mail must be delivered. WE NEED OUR PAY BACK. WHO GOT PAID TO CUT OUR PAY THAT MUCH.

    • common sense

      News flash: YOU are the NALC (assuming you’re a member). If the union reps aren’t representing you, get rid of them. Yes, I know it’s easier said than done, but it WILL be worth it if you persist. The union is not some outside force- it’s YOU and your fellow carriers- don’t just complain- DO SOMETHING!

      • ace82

        I’m a non career union member looking guidance, but can’t seem to get a straight answer from any union rep from 4 different offices. Do you have a way to reach out to all fellow carriers? How can our voice be heard?

  • zac

    It gets darker eairlier in winter, it has since I was a kid. I’m sorry he was the victim of an unfortunate shooting at night, but that’s no reason to not do your job. Its dark, get a light. Idk about the politics of working in mail, but because Franklin wanted to save the daylight for the morning and make it dark at 5, dosent mean you can leave to go home eairlier. Do we know why he was shot? Could be personal and have nothing to do with him doing his job. If your under paid then I understand but don’t get butt hurt because of nature.

  • jesus

    And there is a second amendment, get a gun. Postal workers should just have guns to protect themselves

  • jesus

    But I guess it would be easyer to go postal with a gin on your hip

  • bmwmc101

    As a UPS driver working at night absolutely the commonest condition we have. It gets dark at 4:30 pm and you have pickup that run till 5:30. The we get to finish what we have for deliveries. The majority of the time we are back at the building by 7:30 pm.