• Snowden Wyatt

    As a former carrier, I have had the following experience with several different LLV’s:

    1. LLV starts idling very rough and eventually starts stalling frequently.
    2. I write up the LLV and a vehicle maintenance person comes out and “fixes” it.
    3. LLV now has a VERY heavy smell of unburnt gas when in operation (but it idles smoothly and does not stall).

    Conclusion: the “fix” for the idling/stalling problem is to turn up the fuel in the air/fuel mix. This will let the LLV run without stalling, but may lead to excess fuel in the engine. Perhaps this leads to some of them catching on fire?

    Question: why “fix” the LLV’s in this manner? Is it simply a matter of the parts needed not being manufactured any more? Or is the proper fix too expensive and time consuming?

    Whatever the case, I’m glad I’m out of that situation.

  • Cali to Colo

    My route’s LLV burned years ago on my N/S day. Prior to that there was a lot of backfiring and I am not sure what they did to service it, but it burned fairly soon afterwards.

  • schnufus

    That’s not an LLV, but still pretty old. We got those brand new around 2000 I think

  • JY

    That’s an FFV.

  • disqus_xoFp91f0B8

    The LLV’s have a bit of a design flaw: The fuel filter is located just above the rear of the exhaust manifold. So if it starts leaking fuel, it drips on a hot manifold & poof. From your post is sounds like you had a clogged fuel filter. It may have been replaced and started leaking at that point. The LLV’s are fuel injected, so there is no way to change the air/fuel ratio. That is controlled by the computer. But as someone else correctly posted, this crispy critter is a FFL.

  • Snowden Wyatt

    You sound like you know more about it than I do. All I do know is that I had not one, not two but three separate LLVs go through the rough idle/stall issue (when the engine was cold) and not one of them was fixed so that the idle was smooth. They did stop stalling, but the idle was slightly fast/rough and the fuel smell in the cab was definitely noticeable. After you get out on the street it wouldn’t be a problem for most carriers (engine warms up), but if you were on a Park & Loop route the engine never properly warms up and you stall quite a bit.

    And I wasn’t the only carrier at the stations I worked at that noticed these problems…

  • Ron McCoy

    When I see cars that look like this I always assumed that someone purchased a car that sat in a flooded area and fixed up but the wiring was always bad.